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Last post 07/07/2009, 11:11 AM by rvialls. 3 replies.
Does the National Assembly for Wales require further law-making powers so that it can fulfill the aspirations of the people of Wales?
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01/05/2009, 10:41 PM : Posted by RichLakeRE: Does the National Assembly for Wales require further law-making powers so that it can fulfill the aspirations of the people of Wales?
I think this is a nievae question because the people that make themselves heard will say YES. This does not mean that they are right. Just because someone wants something doesn’t mean it is right that they should have it, this is way we have parliament/assembly to discuss the pro and cons of situations before actions are taken. If you are someone on the street if the Welsh culture should be saved, most people including myself would say yes. But if you said should it be saved but if we do money will have to be taken away from health or education I’m sure you would get a different answer. We need to have a well informed debate which is realistic not idealistic. Politicians are too worried about losing their seats and salaries for this to be a realistic debate. I for one would vote against this change if it meant help was diverted away from health and education.03/06/2009, 08:52 AM : Posted by Bean
I agree with Rich Lake's post that the debate needs to be fully informed. However, I don't agree that the only people being heard say yes. The people who are being heard are those engaged in the political process from across the spectrum of opinion. The main concern is how many people are engaged. I imagine that the distribution of opinion is broadly reflective of the whole population but the raw numbers are actually quite limited at the moment. It would be useful to see what attendance was at the various meetings the AWC were to better understand the numbers of voters involved, and a hit counter on the website to see how often its being visited. I realise that one person can visit the site many times but the counter could provide general information about how often people visit the site.
29/06/2009, 09:04 PM : Posted by RichLake
I agree that we need some indication of the number of people involved. Based on these forums and the documents under the Written submissions it is very small.
24/05/2009, 09:50 PM : Posted by Mike J DaviesRE: Does the National Assembly for Wales require further law-making powers so that it can fulfill the aspirations of the people of Wales?
My view is that for Wales to fulfil its potential as a new and changing nation there need to be greater law making powers in Cardiff. It is clear to me that Westminster is an archaic system which does not meet the needs of Wales and the Welsh people. It may be that changes to law making powers change the aspirations of the Welsh people, much as the Assembly has grown in popularity since being established.08/06/2009, 10:13 AM : Posted by A Jenkins
When someone offers you something, a product or service, the invariable initial response is: "How much will it cost?" At this stage I would not be able to make any informed decision whether additional law making powers would be good for Wales and for me without some indication of the probable consequences, including financial, to me of that decision. So why is it that the folks running the AWC cannot answer this most obvious of questions?
29/06/2009, 09:06 PM : Posted by RichLake
I completely agree with you. AWC need to provide information to answer the question "How much will it cost?" I have seen that theme through a lot of the 'opinions' that have been submitted on this site. AWC please can you take an action to provide this information.
20/07/2009, 09:14 AM : Posted by All Wales Convention Secretariat
Thank you for the forum posts regarding the cost of getting more law-making powers (moving to Part 4). Cost is a key issue that we intend to discuss fully in our final report. We have requested and received evidence on the issue of cost and capacity from both the WAG and NAFW which you can read by following this link: http://wales.gov.uk/docs/awc/publications/090618gillmorganreplyen.pdf http://wales.gov.uk/docs/awc/publications/090217bushcromptonen.doc This is very important issue and we are researching it thoroughly. As we are still in the process of gathering and analysing evidence we are not in a position to make a firm statement on what the cost implications are.
07/07/2009, 11:11 AM : Posted by rviallsRE: Does the National Assembly for Wales require further law-making powers so that it can fulfill the aspirations of the people of Wales?
My concern here is that the Assembly is already failing in many ways. Do we want to give yet more powers to an institution that hasn't really found it's feet yet with the powers it has? The underlying problem with the Assembly is that no democracy can be a power for good unless the elected politicians are held to account for their actions. For that to happen, the voting public have to have a good degree of visibility of what those elected represtantives are actually doing in their name. That means having a media and press that provide in-depth reporting of what decisions are being made. But in Wales we just don't have that coverage. The UK TV news barely covers anything that goes on in Wales (being rather too England focussed). The regional programmes seem to largely steer clear of anything to do with politics. What TV programmes there are covering welsh politics are pretty dry and shown at times of the day that don't encourage mass participation in the democratic process. As with the TV, the national press rarely report on anything in Wales and there is no credible welsh broadsheet. What welsh press we have is tabloid in nature and singularly fails to hold the assembly to account in a credible fashion. The welsh public are just not engaged in politics - try asking the average person on the street in Bangor to name any minister in the welsh government! The lack of contributions to this board is yet another example of how unaware voters are of what is being done in their name. So essentially the Assembly is largely left to do what it wants without being held to account. Given that situation, the idea of giving the Assembly more law-making powers worries me seriously. That said, I do welcome the opportunity to actually have a debate about these issues.